Episode 28

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1st Apr 2026

The Podcasting Gods Were Not Done With Us

Rob Walch and Elsie Escobar reunite to host together for the first time in 159 days! They look back at their own "episode 28" milestones from 2005 to 2014 and share stories from other creators who found their rhythm at the same point in their journey.

The conversation covers the launch of HLS video support in Apple Podcasts. Rob explains how this adaptive streaming works, why it matters for listeners who switch between audio and video, and why you might not need it yet if you are an audio-first creator.

You will also hear about Rob’s time at SXSW in Austin, including his experience with Tesla's robotaxis and the growing influence of the city on the podcast industry. Finally, Elsie tries to break down the engineering behind Marco Arment’s new transcription system for Overcast and why it is a win for listeners.

Guest contributors & insight in this episode: Danny Brown (Five Random Questions), Carolyn Kiel (Beyond Six Seconds), Stacey Sims (Diabetes Connections), Kristen Sundin Brandt (Cycling Together), and Steve Stewart (SteveStewart.me).

Links to interesting things from this episode

People & Shows

  1. Danny Brown – Five Random Questions
  2. Carolyn Kiel – Beyond Six Seconds
  3. Stacey Sims – Diabetes Connections
  4. Kristen Sundin Brandt – Cycling Together
  5. Steve Stewart – SteveStewart.me
  6. Victor Cajiao – Typical Mac User
  7. Grant Baciocco – The Radio Adventures of Dr. Floyd
  8. Jim Louderback – (Video/Media Expert mentioned at SXSW)
  9. Valentina Kaledina at Castbox – (Mentioned for her SXSW summary)
  10. Marco Arment – Creator of Overcast and host of ATP

Apps & Technology

  1. Overcast – (Specifically for the new transcript feature)
  2. Unwatched – (The YouTube queue app Elsie recommended)
  3. Captivate Announced as Day One Launch Partner for Apple Podcasts’ New HLS Video Release – (The specific support/FAQs page)
  4. Apple introduces a new video podcast experience on Apple Podcasts – (Specifically regarding the iOS 26.4 update)

Articles & Episodes

  1. ATP (Accidental Tech Podcast) Episode 683 – (The story of building the transcript system)
  2. Grit Daily News Article – (The piece about power players at SXSW where Rob was quoted)
  3. Valentina’s SXSW Summary – (The industry perspective from Castbox)
  4. Elsie's Yoga Class Episode 28

In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.

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Highlighting Powerful Podcasting Perspectives: the inclusive podcast industry show for the day-to-day podcast enthusiast. Bringing industry insiders and real-life podcasters together to dig deep into the future of podcasting.
We love podcast industry podcasts - there are a lot of them and they're run by smart, passionate people who live and breathe podcasting and who are usually industry professionals.

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Rob Walch

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Rob Walch was inducted into the Podcasting Hall of Fame in 2016. Rob is the Vice President of Podcast Relations for Captivate. Rob is Co-Author of the book “Tricks of the Podcasting Masters” - Que 2006, an editors pick as a Top 10 Reference book for 2006 by Amazon.com. Rob was listed as the 5th most influential person in podcasting according to the book “Podcasting for Dummies” – Wiley Press 2005.

Rob has consulted on podcasting for eBay, Jack Welch, Tim Ferriss, Senator Edwards, Governor Bill Richardson, Dr. Mark Hyman, Noah Shanok (Stitcher), and the Sacramento Kings/Monarchs to name just a few. Rob was Chair of the Education and Outreach Committee for the Association of Downloadable Media and on the committee for the IAB Podcast Metric Guidelines.

Rob started podcasting in 2004, and is the host of the award winning podCast411 podcast, where he has interviewed such prominent podcasters as Quincy Jones, Walt Mossberg, Colin Ferguson (Eureka), Ronald Moore (Executive Producer of Battlestar Galactica), Phil Gordon (World Series of Poker), Larry Kudlow (CNBC’s Kudlow and Company) and Leo Laporte (TechTV, G4 TV). Additionally Rob is host of Today in iOS (iPhone) Podcast – The first podcast about the iPhone - www.todayinios.com and also the Space Business 411 podcast. Rob is co-host of In & Around Podcasting - which is a bi-weekly podcast covering Podcasting and the official Podcast for Captivate.

Since 2004 Rob has presented at well over 100 events on the subject of podcasting and New Media including: NAB, CES, NRB, Podcast Movement, Content Marketing World, Podfest, Newspaper Association of America Marketing Conference, Content Marketing World, the US Latino Film Festival, the Corporate Podcasting Summit, The Association for Women in Communications 2006 Annual Professional Conference, Social Media 2007, Ad-Tech, New Media Expo, and Blogworld Expo. He is also a regular guest Lecturer at the University of Kansas School of Journalism.

In 2004 Rob received his MBA from the University of Connecticut and has an Engineering degree from the University of Dayton (Go Flyers!!!).

Mark Asquith

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Known as "That British Podcast Guy", Mark is one of the United Kingdom's original podcasting experts. He is Managing Director & co-founder of podcast hosting, analytics & monetisation platform Captivate.fm which was acquired by Global in 2021 and is known worldwide as an insightful, thought provoking and actionable podcast industry keynote speaker.

Mark has educated on podcasting and delivered thought leadership at events including Podcast Movement, Podfest, Harvard's "Sound Education" and many more.

His focus is on helping people to achieve their own podcasting goals and on improving the podcasting industry for the long-term.

Elsie Escobar

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Elsie Escobar is a longtime leader in the podcasting space and a champion for independent creators. After nearly two decades in the industry, she's now focused on helping creators build sustainable, values-driven work through her role at Captivate, her mentorship programs, and her media platform, Multimodalee.

As Creator Success and Community Manager at Captivate, she works directly with independent podcasters inside their ecosystem — bringing her deep experience to support creators at every stage of their journey.

She's also the creator of The E-League and Creative Sovereignty Sessions, where she works with established creators navigating growth, burnout, reinvention, and long-term vision.

Under the Multimodalee umbrella, she's currently developing a new private podcast called Slight Spiral Dispatch — a behind-the-scenes exploration of voice, leadership, technology, and what it really means to build something that lasts as a creator today.

Danny Brown

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Danny has hosted and co-hosted (and appeared on) so many podcasts, if you called him a serial podcaster you wouldn't be wrong! He's been in the podcasting space for over 10 years, and has the scars to prove it.

He's the Head of Podcaster Support and Experience at Captivate.fm, the podcast hosting, distribution, analytics, and monetization platform for the serious indie podcaster.

He lives in beautiful Muskoka, Ontario, Canada with his wife and two kids, where he spends winters in front of a cozy fire and summers by the lake. Well, when he finds time away from podcasting, of course...